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PostSubject: Talk to the Elementals   Tue Sep 14, 2010 3:51 am

Some Effects of Working with Nature Spirits
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Spectacular physical manifestations can happen when working with nature spirits in the wild. I have personally seen actual foxfire mark the boundaries of a magic circle at a location that was identified as a receptive power spot and attuned to a planned ritual the day before.

I have seen more than one site attuned for ritual be dry and comfortable, with a round hole in the clouds overhead, on days that were cold and rainy at other nearby locations. Birds have joined in rituals, flying around the circle when energy was being raised; and insects, birds and animals have joined in chants. In addition, the wind often responds to invocations. Generally, these spectacular manifestations happen unexpectedly.

With or without such manifestations, nature spirits often will channel tremendous amounts of power into the magic being performed. It is suggested that you do not consciously try for specific manifestations. Let Nature channel her power into the magic in her own way. If approached with respect, nature may give you many pleasant surprises.

Spectacular physical manifestations are not a necessary sign of success. If you need a spectacular manifestation and nature spirits know this, you will get it. The best success in magic is on the inner planes and more subtle than such manifestations.

This success involves beneficial changes in consciousness that last and helpful chains of synchronicity. In addition, working with Nature Spirits can also bring a deep sense of partnership with Nature, and bring new levels of attunement.

To get the best results, perform nature spirit attunement several hours to several days before the main ritual. The purposes of such attunement are to find suitable power spots and to get the help of friendly nature spirits. This timing gives Nature time to gather her children and to prepare to actively
participate in the main ritual.

What Not To Do
If nature spirits are approached with disrespect by attempting to command them rather than listening to them and inviting them to work with you, nature spirits may flee, rebel, or attack.

I once attended a ritual by some pseudo-Crowleyites who attempted to perform the "Ritual of the Barbarous Names" at a power spot in a forest and then to extend the circle several hundred yards in all directions.

While the forest in general has loud insect and frog noises, the area at which the ritual took place got quiet immediately when the main ritualist declared that all spirits were subject unto him.

The vibes from nature could best be characterized as "Oh yea, Mother...!" One participant was quickly possessed by an angry spirit and kept repeating "You killed my children, your children will never live in peace." When the priestess stepped out of the boundaries of the original circle, she was attacked by bees; and bees covered the Book of the Law.

Magicians should know better than to attempt to command spirits whose true names they do not know!

Calling Nature Spirits

To make the most out of working magical ritual in the wild, one should find power spots where nature spirits are receptive to the ritual planned and approach the spirits with respect, as equals. In my experience, the most effective power spots for working with the living intelligences of nature are located in wild areas with diverse, active ecologies.

When entering a wild area to find a site for a ritual, find a place that feels good. Then do the following, either individually or, if in a group, as a guided meditation:
• Relax, while standing upright, and focus on your breathing. Breathe deep breaths from the diaphragm. Breathe together if in a group.
• Feel the wind, and let it relax you and awaken your spirit within, as your deep breathing takes you into non-ordinary reality.
• Picture, in your mind's eye, a light inside you. As you breathe, feel the light expand, purify and energize you as it expands to fill your aura.
• Feel yourself glowing, balanced, purified, and full of power.
• Connect with your inner self (your higher self), and feel your intuitive self operating.

Feel yourself as:
The wind, full of life and intelligence, communicating with all round.
The Sunlight, warm, alive, channeling the power to communicate with nature and energizing all around.

Water, emotional, intuitive, refreshing, and connected with nature.
The Earth, and note how your physical body is able to wander while remaining part of Mother Earth.

Focus on your spiritual self, and:
Note the light within and feel it as love,
Expand the light and love beyond the immediate aura of your body to the surrounding area - where you will go to find a power spot and contact nature spirits.

Telepathically (by thinking while channeling the love and light energy) send out signals to nature spirits to emerge and be aware of your presence:

Say why you have come, and invite them to join in sharing, mutual celebration, and the work you intend.

Visualize the light and love energy you are channeling extending out and merging with the light from distant places.

Feel the power of the Earth flowing up through your body and feet.

Feel the power from the sky, and channel this power also to further energize the carrier signal of light and love for communicating with nature.

Visualize the light expanding and merging.

Continue to send out telepathic signals.

Now go deeper:

Close your eyes, sit on the Earth, and feel your connection while you channel more light and love.

Continue modulating the light and love with your thoughts - inviting receptive spirits to join with you and to make themselves known.

If in a group, someone should start playing a drum at a rate of about one beat per second; and you should listen to the drum and let the drum take you deeper.

Affirm that you are a nature magician, a medicine person, who knows and communicates with nature.

Let this part of yourself emerge to full consciousness.

Let the drum and the connection to your inner self awaken that part of yourself that naturally communicates with other life forms. Let it awaken your telepathic senses.

Continue sending telepathic signals to nature.

When you feel ready and an inner urge to begin, open your eyes a crack and look around, while continuing to channel love and light and telepathically calling for a response.

You may see light coming from certain areas that are receptive. You may get other signals, such as a feeling of power or love returning in a certain direction. Perhaps the type of response to this work will be unexpected; follow your intuition in interpreting it.

You may test your connection by communicating (mentally) instructions for signals for yes/no responses (such as light getting brighter for less and darker for no) and then mentally ask questions and observe the responses.

When you have found an areas that seems to be responsive and receptive, begin walking to the area, beaming love energy. Extend your aura to the area and sense the energy.

Entering A Power Spot

Before entering a power spot, ask permission to enter. If the response is good, enter; if not, locate another more receptive area.

When entering the power spot, look around. Perhaps the responsive energy will be concentrated around some singularity (a bush, a tree, a specific branch, a moss covered rock, or other entity that stands out).

Perhaps the energy will be more general. Use your intuition and feedback from the spirits to guide your actions.

If it feels right, send out a signal that you would like to touch the singularity (or the ground) for better communication.

If the response is good, approach beaming love energy, and then touch or hug the singularity (or the ground).

Treat the spirits as you would other Pagans you meet for the first time -- be sensitive, open, and listen.

Deepening Communication with Nature Spirits

Now that you have made contact with spirits that seem receptive, deepen the communication:

Breathe deep breaths from the diaphragm, and with each breath, feel more refreshed.
Now imagine that your spine is the trunk of a tree; and, from its base, roots extend deep into the Earth.

Deep into the rich moist Earth.

With every breath, feel the roots extending deeper,

Feel the energy deep within the Earth and within the waters of the Earth.

Feel your roots absorbing nourishment from the Earth and from its waters.

Feel the moist, warm energy rising.

Feel it bursting up from the Earth and rising up your spine, like sap rises in a tree.

Feel the energy rise to your crown chakra (at the top of your head).

Now imagine that you have branches, branches that sweep up and then bend down towards the Earth, like the limbs of a willow.

Feel the branches extending and interweaving with your surroundings.

Feel the warm, moist energy of the Earth flowing through your branches.

As it flows, feel yourself being purified, centered, and connected to the Earth.

Feel the power from the Earth flowing through your branches and then down back to the Earth, like a fountain.

Note how your branches absorb energy from the air. Also, feel them receiving light (fire) from the sky.

Feel the energy from above penetrating deep through your body into the Earth.

Feel the warmth of the Earth rising also.

Feel the energy circulating.

Notice how your branches intertwine with the branches of energy surrounding you:

Feel the energy dancing among your branches and the branches around you.

Notice how your roots also intertwine with underground energy channels.

Feel the energy dancing between your roots and the surrounding energy patterns.

Notice how you and the life around you are rooted in the same Earth, breathing the same air, receiving the same fire, drinking the same water, sharing the same underlying essence.

You are one with the magical grove.

Telepathically mention the time in the past when nature spirits and people communicated regularly and the need to establish such communication now.

Test your connection by asking questions and observing the responses.

Working with Nature Spirits

Explain to the spirits the purpose of your coming to them and the nature of the ritual you plan.
If the spirits you contacted are receptive:

Explain to them the details of the ritual and invite them to provide ideas.

Listen, you may receive suggestions on how to improve the ritual. Such suggestions may come in the form of hunches, visions, answers to yes/no questions using pre-arranged signals, or in other ways.

Explain what type of space is needed and ask what the best place to perform the ritual is.

You may see light or get other psychic signals leading you to other sites, or you may be at one of them.

You may also ask what the best places for other aspects of the planned work are (picnicking, individual vision quests, etc.).

If preparation of the site is needed (removing briars, preparing a fire circle, etc.) ask permission of the spirits before proceeding with such action.

Before you leave the power spot, tell the spirits you have contacted when you plan to return to do the ritual (visualizing the associated lunar and solar aspects can help with this communication).

Invite them to join in the ritual when you return and to bring their friends.

Ask if it would be best to return silently, with drums, with chanting, or with some other form of approach.

You can also ask the spirits to provide guidance for working in balance and to provide a teacher to provide further guidance.

Before you leave the power spot

Thank the spirits,

Channel love energy,

Trigger your memory of the experience, and If it feels right, leave an offering of tobacco, or beer and honey poured on the ground (or other suitable material).

Leave in peace and love.

Proceed to other sites that were indicated by the spirits, doing similar meditations at each site.

If you need something, like a staff, a Maypole, or a wand, you can also ask where you can find it and follow the guidance you receive (not slavishly, but as you would guidance from another Pagan).

Before leaving the general area in which you found power spots and contacted nature spirits:

Channel love energy towards the receptive sites you found,

Thank the spirits of the land,

Pull back your roots and branches,

Ground any excess energy into the Earth (placing your hands on the Earth, breathe in any excess energy, and channel the energy down your arms, while visualizing and feeling the energy going into the Earth), and Leave in peace and love.

Naturally, you should leave the area at least as clean, and preferably cleaner, than you found it.

If you work with techniques of Wicca or Ceremonial Magic, you may find that by casting a circle, calling the Elements, the Goddess, the Gods, and the local nature spirits while you are at receptive sites, you may be able to greatly increase communication.

Through the use of drums and other power raising techniques, it is even possible to energize receptive nature spirits. The results can be very interesting.

If with a coven, such circles can be done as part of a group attunement to a power spot you have located.

If you do not get good feelings in response to your explanation of the ritual and are unable to come up with a ritual that gives good responses, do not try to force a good response. You would only be fooling yourself.

Thank the spirits for their attention.

Ask them why they are not receptive (if it feels right and they are communicative). Trigger your memory.

Pull back your "roots and branches," return any excess energy you feel into the Earth.

If it feels appropriate, leave an offering of tobacco or other appropriate material, out of respect for the spirits. Move to a more receptive site.

If it is hard to find a site that is really receptive, you should:

Consider any impressions you got of why the nature spirits weren't receptive in the area you were in, and re-think your plans for a ritual, as necessary and appropriate.

It may also be appropriate to look for another general area in which to find a suitable power site that is receptive to the work planned.
What to Do When Returning

It can be very powerful to purify and center yourself and to attune to the spirits of the land using the techniques previously described for calling nature spirits immediately upon returning to the site.

Often, individuals may have found small specific power spots to which they have a special attunement, where the spirits are interested in participating; but where the site is too small, has too much vegetation, or is otherwise unsuitable for the main ritual. Individual attunement to the spirits in such areas and inviting them to participate in the main ritual can be worthwhile.

Then approach the main ritual site using the previously arranged technique.

You should have the details worked out with the spirits of the land.

An exceptionally powerful technique involves doing a procession through or past receptive power spots, inviting nature spirits to join as you pass each power spot, and then moving to the central power spot for the main ritual.

If participants are at individual power spots, they can join the procession as it passes nearby.

When consecrating space in the wild, or casting a circle, do not set up the perimeter as a barrier to all outside forces;

it should be a beacon to attract friendly nature spirits, a container for holding magical power, and a barrier to spirits who it isn't right to be with.

For further reading; source: http://www.coven-of-cythrawl.com
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PostSubject: Re: Talk to the Elementals   Wed Sep 15, 2010 1:10 am

WELL Guys,

Remember how I said that I may even get some pic's of the Faeries, shorty after I moved into this new Mystical Place that I call home NOW !! !!

Well, while sitting out at the Pic-nic table with camera in hand, in my backyard, a face BE-gin to appear (Swirl) form right on my glass Pic-nic table top. This is what I got and BE-lieve it to BE a pic of ONE of the Faeries that frequents this Mystical Place.

Please let me know what you see or think of it. I see her loud and clear.


Faery Pics

You can find & read about these pics, I also have more of that days activities posted at these links here:

Page 1 : http://lightwarriors.heavenforum.org/feeling-lucky-scully-f9/fairy-pic-t378.htm

Page 2 : http://lightwarriors.heavenforum.org/feeling-lucky-scully-f9/fairy-pic-t378-15.htm

Page 3 : http://lightwarriors.heavenforum.org/feeling-lucky-scully-f9/fairy-pic-t378-30.htm







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PostSubject: Re: Talk to the Elementals   Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:59 am

Wow Solane! That is fantastic! It looks like an 'Elf King'. I don't know what words to describe it. When I saw it, the words elf king came to mind, but then I got a 'no', not an elf king - a tree deva. The words that came through for me were 'the woods - trees -nature - leaves'. He seems 'majestic'.
Thank you for posting. I get the feeling that 'he' is quite happy to communicate with you - a lot of trust he has for you. ltluv
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PostSubject: Re: Talk to the Elementals   Wed Sep 15, 2010 1:57 pm




WELL, don't get me started, alot has developed in my life SENSE these pics.

I see NOW that, I have made a very " CREAT-ive connection or a opening when first recieving my " FAERIES ORACLE " cards. WELL it picked me, lead me by the nose, fall of the sh-ELF in the book shop. so to speak Like a Star @ heaven cheers Like a Star @ heaven It has ALL-so connected me to the very CREAT-ive writer Brain Froud, Artist and ALL-so his wife's BE-auti-FULL CREAT-ive artistic skills. You can ALL-ways google " Brain Froud's Art Gallery and SEE what you come up with. I can't give it words, it's something you just have to SEE and FEEL.

I ALL-so have BE-en drawn to Brain Froud & Jim Henson's work together, as his wife did alot, WELL most of the ART work in the movie " DARK CRYSTAL ". I did not know this until after the fact that I had recieved, or BE-tter yet, my arm REACH-ed right out to a wooden craved walking stick that was sitting on the floor in a clay pot of a Man's Shop, that I was in for the first time. I grabbed right on to it, without even noticing that I was doing this, I have n-EVER just grabbed on to anything in my life like I grabbed unto this walking stick that he had hand-craved him-SELF. lol! Anyways, this walking stick was NOW in my hands and I can't let go of it, that stick was walking out of that shop with me in hand. I got home and googled the craved face, that was on the top of my walking stick, and much to my surpise, it's head was craved BE-auti-FULLY with the features of, one of the main character's in the movie " DARK CRYSTAL ", WOW, SEE how they pick you and this is what I ALL-so mean by BE-ing ALL-so lead by my nose ( SENSES), they have their way with you like this, it's FAERY NICE of them. At lest I think so. Laughing ONE very, very CREAT-ive man, I found out that he ALL-so went to ONE of same schools with Brain Froud, around the same time frame as he did. Anyways this STORY can go on and on, for EVER and EVER, but I'll BE sure to stop in, at another time with some more of my " FAERY TALES " and some pics. They have showed up alot in my home ALL-so and played tricks on me and my mate. FUN-ny Tricks that is 'FAERY NICE !! !!


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PostSubject: Re: Talk to the Elementals   Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:24 pm

This is the head that is craved on the top of my walking stick, the ONE from the movie " Dark Crystal " even the hair and ALL he managed to put on my stick.



And then another thing was ALL-so brought to my attention, was that this character was ALL-so connected to numerology, he's " UR YOD " the " NUMEROLOGIST ". WELL number's and sacred geometry they just happen to BE ONE of my thingys, connections. Nice again, Faery Nice.




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PostSubject: Re: Talk to the Elementals   Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:28 pm



Now if you look at this pic and my pic, you may just SEE the other Faery that is on top of the the first Faery, my other friends have said that they SEE it ALL-so.



I think they like to crowd thems-ELVE'S in and unto each other for a pic. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Talk to the Elementals   Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:48 pm

This pic here of Brian Frouds, is ONE of the cards from my Faery Oracle Deck, it NOW rests in the frame of my Faery picture on the wall above my desk, where I sit at the computer.




Their they go again Stacking thems-ELVES in for another picture. cheers



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PostSubject: Re: Talk to the Elementals   Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:06 pm

I do know NOW that ALL this is happening in my life to en-COURAGE me to BE more of my CREAT-ive s-ELF. I will have to admit that I have BE-en some what fearful to open UP to ALL this. I have ALL-so asked to BE able to learn how to live with Balance in both worlds, with respect and Honor to ALL Spirit Guides and Nature Spirits. I Am NOW just discovering and getting to k-NOW ALL my Spirit Guides and my highers-ELF. They've BE-en giving me so much support and giving me the COURAGE ONE needs to BE open to the many journey's that I've BE-en invited to go on, without all my fears. I guess their grooming me. lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Talk to the Elementals   Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:10 pm

BE-tween ALL the FAERY DUST and FEATHER'S, ONE should BE able to take FIGHT seen, I would HOPE !! !!
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PostSubject: Re: Talk to the Elementals   Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:55 pm

Wood Sprites

It is twilight and the sun is slipping
into its nightdress,
Yawning across these woods.
Wood Sprites whispering
we are the beings of lightness.
Whippoorwills answering yes,
but, we see you, hear you
none the less.

They who are like Feathers,
barely there yet,
revealed within the contours
of the fading, waning light,
Etched and enfolded
in the advancing night ...
Wood Sprites!
Shapes Half cast in shadow and shade,
where they hide, reside all day.
Wrapped in the amber, sun burnt, haze.
They leap to life, uncoiling from malaise
to frantic and amazing
and are in turn amazed.

Autumn their harvest time, ritual time.
The Solstice Gathering.
These sprightly folks,
faces with many moods,
smatterings of smirk and whiles,
half smiles
and crinkly, wrinkly laugh lines, crows feet.
HA, HA, HA ... hilarious,
laughter their favorite treat.

Bitter sweet.

They sigh and repeat their giggles,
chuckling too.
We sees you all, we teases you all,
in our own kind of wood honed voodoo.

Wood sprites slumber in morning light
nodding in and out, only half awake.
Lost in their own daydreams and disillusions,
the stories they star in and create.
Vague by day, defined by night.
They come alive to all their senses
at this hour,
Twilight.

The blue is deepening,
streaking across the heavens,
azure fading into dusk.
The breeze has stopped playing hide and seek
and has hushed and calmed itself.
It stops to ask us
if we are sleepy,
waiting for its arms to rock us.

Or does it mock us,
for our need to rest, to dream?

Woodland critters no longer scampering,
hurrying on.
They have dragged weary feet along
looking for a place to night time nap.
Crawling into tree trunks, branches, caves,
Mother Nature's lap.

Crickets are heard to begin their song
and the owl has settled on his favorite branch.
Awaiting the Moon's sweet providence,
given half a chance
they would sing their song
acapela all night long just for him.

Ah! But, wait, listen harder, hear!
See, looking over there,
it begins.
It is the Dance of Twilight and her spirits.
Some chanting, some whistling.
Their own music
made in their own sacred way.
A mix of what they know
and what they'd like to say.

The Wood Sprites are coming,
slipping out from their branches,
limbs, over their bogs,
stepping out of their logs,
homes of leaves and vines and twigs.
Magic of the Sigs and Figs.
Mischievous, mirthful
merriment on their minds
but walking that ever constant line
between frolic and mean.
These sprites cross back and forth
and fall sometimes, somewhere,
some place in between.
Yes, that is who they are too,
shades of
what they might have been.

Lookout ye' Trolls for these creatures
and the Sigs among them.
They are the designated ones
the rock throwers, bashers,
face smashers
of the Trolls.
Trolls who bring mayhem and madness
to the woods, the marshes
the mangled and the marred,
the undertow, the crow.

It is the Solstice Eve,
Halloween
and all who believe
are here gathering
around the outer banks,
amidst the ranks of the mysterious
and the observer.
Where Pumpkin smashing is about to begin
everyone tastes its squish and squash.
Innards gobbled up and down,
drinking droughts
of sap and maple syrup too.

Mugs of amber rich and brown
rolled up pancakes dipped
in its goodness for dessert.
They dance in wild abandonment.
Spilling their gooey cups, as they prance to
The Solstice Twilight Dance.

The Figs are sent to find the Trolls
who are to be punished for
carving up the trees,
their spirits, their wood sprites
and stealing souls,
For all these offenses they will pay
the Toll of the Troll
the groans and grunts of they.
Soon to be faceless on this day.
Hallowed EVE!
Figs drag trolls kicking,
screaming to the circle of stones.
Doom and gloom.
The Sigs make ready to smash their faces
into the jagged rocks.
Crushing them then to pumpkin pulp,
mash.
Trollses with curling frenetic toeses.
They rise up screaming
"we gots no faces.
We's no longer of the trollkin races."
And burying their heads in their hands
they stumble out of the circle.
No more big eyes to stare and gap
as they rip and tear at startled prey
their hands to busy holding heads
unable to see forever blind.
They once unkind, now and of that kind
dwell within their own hell, troll agony.
A nightmare no more faces
just pumpkin pulp traces.
Wood sprites always win in the end
Trolls must learn the hard way
to stay out of their way
and
to never hurt the trees or woods
if they want to live happily if but they could.
But such is there lot to stupidly do,
what troll hearts do
until the Wood sprites come
and they to do
what wood sprites do
on Solstice Eve
punish the defilers of the woods and trees.

Ravens fly, crows do too,
crowing, baying
with the banshees at the moon.
The crickets tune drowns in every ones chants.
Goblins come to watch too
and join the dance.
Wood Sprites at the height
and depth of both their sides
both light and dark.
Merry, mean,
and all that rests just somewhere
out of reach and in between.
Wood sprites in their ritual time.
Twilight Dance,
Solstice Eve.
Believe!
Halloween!

By Linda A. Copp
March 29, 2000
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PostSubject: Re: Talk to the Elementals   Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:19 pm

Absolutely gorgeous pictures!!!

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PostSubject: Re: Talk to the Elementals   Sat Nov 06, 2010 1:49 am

Thank-You Christine flower dragonfly flower


Tell me you BE-lieve in Faeries too !! !! fairygirl lol
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PostSubject: Re: Talk to the Elementals   Sat Nov 06, 2010 8:46 pm

What i really love about the images you captured Solane, is that they look exactly like the fairies or nature sprites I myself have seen here in Australia. People seem to think fairies are pretty miniature people with wings and flower dresses...WRONG. I have never seen anything like that but I have certainly seen many variations of what you captured in your photo. They do have sharp angular feature and pinched faces. Their limbs are spindly and they move very very fast. The ones I have seen in my backyard have a bright yellow aura and often that is all you see unless you can speed up your vibration to allow your eyes to see them.

Often we are looking but just not seeing. We have this preconditioned mindset about what we think elementals 'should' look like and that is what we seek. In the mean time we are missing what is really there.

Here's some good examples of nature spirits captured on film:


this one is very close to what I have seen.





There's lots more to be found here: Different nature



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PostSubject: Re: Talk to the Elementals   Sat Nov 06, 2010 10:06 pm

Right on Kat Sweetie,

I've BE-en looking around for something even close to what I caught on camera and never found any pics even close to mine, wow, thanks for this link. Way Cool



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PostSubject: Re: Talk to the Elementals   Sat Nov 06, 2010 10:16 pm

WOW!!! hnd
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PostSubject: Re: Talk to the Elementals   Tue Nov 09, 2010 1:47 pm

Does anyone know the elemental that is rock?
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PostSubject: Re: Talk to the Elementals   Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:39 pm

“In the worlds before Monkey, primal chaos reigned. Heaven sought order, but the phoenix can fly only when it’s feathers are grown. The four worlds formed again and yet again, as endless aeons wheeled and passed. Time and the pure essences of Heaven, the moistures of the Earth, and the powers of the Sun and the Moon all worked upon a certain rock – old as creation, and it magically became fertile… Elemental forces caused the egg to hatch. From it then came a stone monkey… The nature of Monkey was irrepressible!”



source: slackb

Well, maybe that is not what you were referring to Nuelma but it sprang to mind when you asked that question. Yes, I have heard of rock elementals and mountain elementals among others. I think of them as secondary elementals to the primary ones (and that no way implies them to be inferior, simply lesser spoken of or known). In alot of ways, the elementals have been personified and taken to be their guardian spirits rather than themselves eg salamanders representing fire. This could confuse people into believing that fire itself has no spirit. We know this is not true.




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PostSubject: Re: Talk to the Elementals   Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:52 am

Thank you for that. You answered my question deeply and completely. Cool
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